So last week I talked about using intuition in hiring Joseph Myers. I’ve never had a moment’s regret. The day Joseph came on board, we began to open our hearts and will to becoming a new and different kind of Promark. We became very intentional in our openness to not doing things the same way it was always done unless it was a path to health and wholeness.
I saw a lot of sad things my first year on the job. I watched agents fall off the grid because they couldn’t survive on their own without Len there to help them. I saw people make unethical choices out of fear because they didn’t feel there was a better way. And I had people begging me to do things the traditional way so everything would feel normal again.
One of the biggest weaknesses I saw as I looked around the industry was the lack of really great training and leadership development. Training happened either in the field with a senior agent or through a product seminar by an insurance carrier. Leadership development happened by observation or through the occasional paid coaching program. I didn’t exactly know what was wrong with that, but I sensed it was a problem that needed addressing.
I began envisioning a Promark University system where agents could get more than just product knowledge. I wanted to see them learn life skills like time and project management, how to sell with integrity, and things that would better them as a person and a leader so they’d be more effective on the job. I wasn’t sure how we’d accomplish Promark University, but I tossed my ideas around with Joseph.
One day about a month into his job, Joseph said, “I don’t think we’re gonna accomplish the idea of Promark University without hiring someone who’s qualified to build it. We need a Master of Pedagogy.”
“Peda-what?”
“A Master in the field of Pedagogy. It’s the science and study of teaching and instruction. We need someone who knows how to put this kind of a program together. I think I know the person.”
“Who?”
“Denise VanEck. She lives in Grand Rapids.”
“Grand Rapids? Like, out of state?”
“Yep.”
“But…she lives out of state.”
“That’s OK. I think we can get her to move here.”
Huh? It was a mind-trip to think that Joseph was willing to move here from Denver to work for Promark. Now he was thinking more people would want to do the same?
Unbeknownst to me, Joseph had called Denise a few weeks prior. “Hey, Denise,” he said. “Remember how we used to work as consultants with people who wanted to change the world? I’m working for a company now that’s actually gonna do it.”
Thus, Denise came to visit. She met all the people, toured the office, interviewed at length with Joseph. And we went to lunch.
Over chicken salad, Denise asked me to talk about what I wanted to see happen at Promark. I described my heart of sadness at the lack of holistic training and development and how I felt it ultimately impacted the clients in an unhealthy way. I told her I wanted to see something different but didn’t know how to make it happen.
“All I know,” I said, “is that I know what I want our clients to feel like when an agent leaves their house and I know what I want our agents to feel like when they go to sleep at night.”
I guess that was the ticket for Denise. She said yes. And moved here from out of state to become our Chief Learning Officer and the Provost of what we now affectionately call ProU. She has taken her vision and passion for ProU to places I’d never dreamed could be possible.
This afternoon when I told her I wanted to tell her story, she said, “You know, they’re not calling it Pedagogy anymore. That’s the term they’re using for training children. The latest buzz word is Androgogy.”
“Andro-what?”
“Androgogy. It’s the study of adult learning methodology.”
So there you have it. I’m not positive, but I’d guess we’re probably the first insurance marketing agency to willfully hire a Master of Androgogy.
Did I mention Denise didn’t know anything about insurance?






